tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post115629569078669747..comments2023-11-02T09:35:16.174+00:00Comments on La Femme Contraire: Bad Kittyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15826777782422384955noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156851091584762332006-08-29T12:31:00.000+01:002006-08-29T12:31:00.000+01:00You are sure they must be caring individuals. You'...You are sure they must be caring individuals. You're really quite naive, aren't you, if that is what you think of politicians. As for 'long term contraception' that is not suitable for everyone, perhaps especially not people who are already medicated.<BR/><BR/>It is in the proposals of the government that treatment and benefits be withdrawn, along with the children, if the contract is breached. The link is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5162762.stm<BR/><BR/>I should have linked to that initially and have edited so that I do. This is what those 'thoughtful and caring' individuals from New Labour want to do to vulnerable people. I hope that now you are horrified and cease to support it.Bad Kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826777782422384955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156791044385072952006-08-28T19:50:00.000+01:002006-08-28T19:50:00.000+01:00Who is 'we'? I suppose I mean us as a nation, or ...Who is 'we'? I suppose I mean us as a nation, or us as society. <BR/><BR/>The problem with the argument that people would be threatened with having treatment and benefits removed in the carry the child to term is - that they aren't! <BR/><BR/>As far as I have read, nobody closely connected with the proposals has proposed anything close to this - but rather that if addicts choose not to go on long-term contraception, then access to treatment and benefits would be limited.<BR/><BR/>I am as I said before a bit uncomfortable with this - but it seems to me a huge leap to infer that this would mean that pregnant women would be denied all the support that they need. I am sure that those connected with the proposals are thoughtful and caring individuals and would not for a minute consider cutting off support to pregnant women.<BR/><BR/>If I've missed something in my reading about these proposals, and they do propose such action, then I - and I'm sure any other pro-choice supporters - would be horrified and would certainly not support it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156708658390371882006-08-27T20:57:00.000+01:002006-08-27T20:57:00.000+01:00Who is the 'we' here, Sabele? True, children who h...Who is the 'we' here, Sabele? True, children who have addicted parents are vulnerable and the problem should be addressed - but not like that. How you cannot see that the policy will lead to coerced abortions beats me. If somebody is threatened with having their treatment, along with all State benefits, withdrawn if they carry the child to term then they will really have no other option aside from abortion. So it would not exactly be a 'choice' would it? If anybody supports such a policy they are not pro choice.<BR/>End of.Bad Kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826777782422384955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156684027954704632006-08-27T14:07:00.000+01:002006-08-27T14:07:00.000+01:00Where to start with this article, conflating issue...Where to start with this article, conflating issues of forced abortion, women's right to autonomy over their own body (which of course means that they should not have an abortion), if they don't want one)and issues about drug addicted parents.<BR/><BR/>I don't recall reading anything where the people proposing the measures around drug addicts, proposed force abortion, or anything remotely equivalent. <BR/><BR/>I agree that drug addicts are a vulnerable section of society - but if we are ranking how vulnerable people are, what about their children? Surely they are at the mercy of the strength of their parents addiction. <BR/><BR/>There is growing evidence to show that many addicted parents are incapable of looking after the basic needs of their children - food, shelter, safety, never mind their development and emotional wellbeing.<BR/><BR/>What are we to do about these children - the mantra of most drug agencies is that people have to want to give up drugs and get help. Serious drug addiction usually means that addicts only focus on getting their next fix, with thoughts of others or getting help very far removed.<BR/><BR/>We are leaving too many children to cope in totally unsafe situations, because of the laudable desire to keep families together at all costs.<BR/><BR/>Yes there should be more and more effective treatment, but what about the children whose health and safety and development are being compromised on a daily basis. <BR/><BR/>I'd also like to see more support going to the granparents, other family members and foster and other carers who take on children whose parents are lost to their addiction. <BR/><BR/>I do have some qualms about this policy, but I have even bigger qualms about leaving children to 'cope' in these families.<BR/><BR/>By the way - a woman's right to choose? Yes choose - means that it should be up to the woman, so how you can argue that we are in favour of forced abortions beats me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156350870156840822006-08-23T17:34:00.000+01:002006-08-23T17:34:00.000+01:00Cool stuff here:http://americanlifeleague.stores.y...Cool stuff here:<BR/>http://americanlifeleague.stores.yahoo.net/<BR/>Will find out if they will deliver to UK. If youre interested let me know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156346145797078262006-08-23T16:15:00.000+01:002006-08-23T16:15:00.000+01:00You're welcome Tam, thank you too.As with the case...You're welcome Tam, thank you too.<BR/><BR/>As with the case in China, it is a horrific situation that everyone should oppose, whatever their basic position on abortion. It is something that pro life and pro choice people should be able to oppose together. I was horrified when I found out about it and was quite angry it had not received more media coverage - as if these people are undeserving of full human rights! It really is a disgrace.Bad Kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826777782422384955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156344735716139042006-08-23T15:52:00.000+01:002006-08-23T15:52:00.000+01:00Great article! I especially liked this bit: "If th...Great article! I especially liked this bit: "If the new plans come into fruition women pregnant while attempting to recover from an addiction will only have two choices - abortion or removal of not only your baby but removal of all else - treatment and benefit. An extremely stark scenario."<BR/><BR/>That is indeed a stark scenario--and one that EVERYONE, regardless of his/her position on abortion, should be able to agree is APPALLING and needs to be remedied swiftly and decisively.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for raising awareness about this issue.<BR/><BR/>TamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156342700330802542006-08-23T15:18:00.000+01:002006-08-23T15:18:00.000+01:00That was an interesting link, Paddy. Not much 'cho...That was an interesting link, Paddy. Not much 'choice' going on there.Bad Kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826777782422384955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156306401233789122006-08-23T05:13:00.000+01:002006-08-23T05:13:00.000+01:00Not only in China:http://www.afterabortion.info/pe...Not only in China:<BR/>http://www.afterabortion.info/petition/Forced_Abortions.pdf<BR/>When will the left wake up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156303453703950972006-08-23T04:24:00.000+01:002006-08-23T04:24:00.000+01:00Thanks, done so take a look.Thanks, done so take a look.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156303123912409002006-08-23T04:18:00.000+01:002006-08-23T04:18:00.000+01:00anon - You may by all means paste my article on th...anon - You may by all means paste my article on the site. I'll take a look at it.Bad Kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826777782422384955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156302395272481602006-08-23T04:06:00.000+01:002006-08-23T04:06:00.000+01:00And to all you pro "choicers" out there, this is w...And to all you pro "choicers" out there, this is what you believe in:<BR/>http://www.blackgenocide.org/hardertruth.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156300194851411412006-08-23T03:29:00.000+01:002006-08-23T03:29:00.000+01:00And we musnt forget about Sangers British equivale...And we musnt forget about Sangers British equivalent, Marie Stopes:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes<BR/>She has clinics named after her, they happen to be one of the biggest abortionists in Britain, a lot on NHS abortions are contracted out to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31631611.post-1156299887666469522006-08-23T03:24:00.000+01:002006-08-23T03:24:00.000+01:00Nice one Liz!You may be interested in this discuss...Nice one Liz!<BR/>You may be interested in this discussion forum, nothing like it in UK but we are welcome, am the only British contributor at the moment.<BR/>http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/<BR/>Can I paste your article on it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com